You say human rights in china improving but free speech is still curtailed and free press unheard of.

And I was there at Jalan P. Ramlee that leads to KLCC even when it rained.

And no, if PRC has election, the “slaves” could decide by themselves in a free election on what they wanted, not what the PRC wants.

This shows that you don’t know Xizang at all.
Before the Chinese government had a firm control of Xizang, 95% of the people there were slaves and utterly uneducated. This is because Dalai, who was the leader of slave-masters, does not want the people there to be educated, and hence easier to be controled.
So you expect these people to make decision on their own destinations? Be realistic, please…
So in conclusion, it is Dalai that wants independence for the benefit of the slave-masters.

The Chinese government was trying its best to set up as many as schools and hospitals there as possible, to help people there get education and modern knowledge. As a matter of fact, schools and hospitals there attracted most attacks last month.

It rained later, when the torch was heading towards KLCC. Where were you then?
Is human rights protection less important when it is raining?
Or is it not so important as your own comfortable life?

I admit that the Chinese government sometimes do wrong.
This mere fact, however, does not justify the claim that Xizang should be independent, because in fact, all governments do wrong sometimes. So according to your logic, almost all countries should be split up. Is that correct?
Where were you when other governments do wrong?

You cannot deny the fact that the situation of human rights protection in China is improving. It needs sometime to perfect itself. This is not an excuse for you to encourage splitting of China, however.

By the way, who is claiming that Xizang should be independent? Dalai lama? Come on, he is nothing more than puppet controled by the US.

That however does not absolve what China from its wrongs. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

You are being selective, too.

About China has 55 ethnic groups, you are applying definition modern state into the past, when modern didn’t exist. I’m sure the Mongol didn’t consider themselves as Chinese back when they conquered China. Assimilation only occurred years later. Don’t confused the timeline.

And for Yuan, like you said Yuan was Mongol. The Ming was only trying to claim what the Mongol had achieved. And it is true that Tibet has not always been part of China. There was a free Tibet kingdom before the Mongol conquered. Why are you ignoring the Tibetan history that began earlier than the Ming if you are so adamant about history?

You are being selective about history, aren’t you?

If you still choose to stick to your own opinion, which most probably arised as a result of reading western false reports and books, it is your own choice.
You are free to show your stupidity.

Xizang is about our National interest.
So unless you start a war against this, we are not going to give it up anyway.

You guys are not doing anything related to anti-stupidity.
You are showing your own stupidity.

the tibetan region has been under the territories of the “chinese empire” since the yuan dynasty, yes, for THAT long, even
longer than the history of australia, new zealand, USA, and canada COMBINED. and yet you can say

“….Tibet has always been a Chinese state when history clearly showed that it is not the case?”

i wonder whose history textbooks youre reading.

during the chinese civil war after WW2, the entire country was in disarray, states fragmented and and were autonomously administered by local warlords and plutocrats. and that was how tibet got their short “independence”, along with the other chinese provinces. when the CCP won the civil war against the KMT, it was their duty to reunite the provinces and and bring back what was then china proper.

if THAT “independence” is the basis of the tibetan independence, then modern china would only include the municipal council of beijing.

IT IS THE DUTY of any sovereign gov to stop any rebellion in the country, especially that it has turned violent on the part of those “oh so peaceful arsonists and human torchers”. what do you think ABB would do if some hundreds of folks started torching KL? give them easter eggs and a bouquet of daisies?

in case you did not know, NO COUNTRY ON EARTH recognises that tibet is NOT part of china, despite what those politicians are saying on the media. read their official government stand on the sovereignity of china upon tibet. NOT even taiwan supports a free tibet, mind you.

it is quite obvious you and that person above who claimed to be a msian chinese named Ling havent read much about chinese history, and so stubbornly defend your ignorance and excuse all other arguments as mere chinese propaganda. sad case, really.